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Comments on: Copyright Criminals https://www.robohara.com/?p=2495 The Adventures of Rob, Susan, Mason and Morgan O'Hara Tue, 05 Oct 2010 08:53:58 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 By: gratte https://www.robohara.com/?p=2495#comment-2463 Tue, 05 Oct 2010 08:53:58 +0000 http://www.robohara.com/?p=2495#comment-2463 t be released today, as clearing all the samples in those albums would be cost prohibitive." Yeah, definitely not as an example of "digging through the crates", i.e. showing off your obscurity-finding skills and out-of-nowhere cultural context leaps. But the _style_ itself of rapidfire sample switching is still possible via the use of legal sample CDs. There are thousands of these things, covering every style source you could imagine. With enough patience, you could collect these things and dig through them all and put something together in a Bomb Squad or Dust Brothers-type way. Why this doesn't happen: I've been listening to a bunch of contemporary underground-dancey stuff recently and the vast majority of it is really lazy production. Which is fine, but I don't know that these guys are willing to spend several weeks on a single song. I think they're going for more "of the moment", finish it in a night and on to the next one, way of working. Plus, you don't get the cultural cache of a listener going "Oh, clever sample, that's from a Mickey Mouse record from 1974" Trainspotting of samples. And on the other hand - the production that does get agonized over, like the major label dance-pop? The heavy sample style just isn't in fashion now. That could change, or not.]]> >”sample-thick albums simply couldn’t be released today, as clearing all the samples in those albums would be cost prohibitive.”

Yeah, definitely not as an example of “digging through the crates”, i.e. showing off your obscurity-finding skills and out-of-nowhere cultural context leaps. But the _style_ itself of rapidfire sample switching is still possible via the use of legal sample CDs. There are thousands of these things, covering every style source you could imagine. With enough patience, you could collect these things and dig through them all and put something together in a Bomb Squad or Dust Brothers-type way.

Why this doesn’t happen: I’ve been listening to a bunch of contemporary underground-dancey stuff recently and the vast majority of it is really lazy production. Which is fine, but I don’t know that these guys are willing to spend several weeks on a single song. I think they’re going for more “of the moment”, finish it in a night and on to the next one, way of working.

Plus, you don’t get the cultural cache of a listener going “Oh, clever sample, that’s from a Mickey Mouse record from 1974” Trainspotting of samples.

And on the other hand – the production that does get agonized over, like the major label dance-pop? The heavy sample style just isn’t in fashion now. That could change, or not.

]]> By: Joshua Risner https://www.robohara.com/?p=2495#comment-2462 Wed, 22 Sep 2010 23:25:40 +0000 http://www.robohara.com/?p=2495#comment-2462 It’s cool that you mentioned Clyde. He is one of my favorite drummers. He is also needing a kidney transplant and could use the money from these samplers:

http://clydestubblefield.chipin.com/clyde-stubblefield

]]> By: lethargic https://www.robohara.com/?p=2495#comment-2461 Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:42:21 +0000 http://www.robohara.com/?p=2495#comment-2461 Jeez dude. As somebody who has already received a warning from his ISP before, don’t send out any emails with copyright in the title. About gave me a heart attack. haha

]]> By: Micky "Vectorman" W. https://www.robohara.com/?p=2495#comment-2460 Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:32:35 +0000 http://www.robohara.com/?p=2495#comment-2460 I will add this to my queue.

I got “Scratch” from Netflix a few months ago. It doesn’t focus on copyright issues, but it’s a good video on the history of Hip Hop and Turntablism, basically all things scratching. Those who have interest in that style of music should check it out.

]]> By: pj https://www.robohara.com/?p=2495#comment-2459 Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:10:48 +0000 http://www.robohara.com/?p=2495#comment-2459 The “Variations” podcast series by Jon Leidecker takes plenty of time to explore the legal issues involved in sampling. It begins in the early 20th century with copyright and sheet music and winds up with hip-hop and avant garde audio collage. 5 episodes so far, an hour each, worth checking out. Each episode also has pdf liner notes available. Go here – http://rwm.macba.cat/en/curatorial/

There’s also the film “RIP! A Remix Manifesto” which is available for download. It approaches the copyright/sampling issue from a slightly less academic perspective and spends a lot of time on Girl Talk and mashup. http://ripremix.com/

At this point it seems like record companies are not so much going after the little guy, but if one were to ACCIDENTALLY become the next De La Soul then I imagine life would suck pretty hard. Picture the prosecution demanding discovery of source material, and it turns out the samples were taken from illegally downloaded files. D’oh. Really, though; why should businessmen get to decide the ethics of whatever direction a creative art takes? Should illegal art even be possible? I don’t know.

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